Courtney:
Top 100 Indie Rock Albums, According to BlenderCourtney: I feel an argument coming on, should we tackle this one together? 
MJ: oh, I’ll have to take this all in, believe me
Courtney: ok
Courtney: as will I
MJ: okay, on first glance, Violent Femmes at 27 is WAY TOO LOW
Courtney: right
MJ: for the life of me, and I know you sorta dig them, I DO NOT get the Sleater-Kinney love fest
Courtney: I would say as a rule, but I'll have to see if this happened, any album that ranks higher than the album that INFLUENCED it is a bad choice
Courtney: I'd have gone with a different SK myself
MJ: I’d rank Husker Du above Big Star and My Bloody Valentine, too
Courtney: Big Star were first, they were over and done with by the mid 70's
Courtney: and Bob[Mould] worships Kevin Shields of MBV
MJ: and I always thought Yo La Tengo was WAY overrated
Courtney: they are kind of
Courtney: as were Beat Happening
Courtney: gag
MJ: I love Double Nickels On The Dime though; glad to see it gets some love
MJ: I wore that record OUT
Courtney: great fucking album
Courtney: it's framed in my back room, right next to Zen Arcade
Courtney: as those 2 are kind of companion pieces in the indie rock canon, LOL
Courtney: you know that story, you must
MJ: here's a question
MJ: no Social Distortion?
Courtney: right. What up?
MJ: they had to have put out at least one or two before they got signed
Courtney: ok, there is an example of my theory of influences, The Replacements being higher than Big Star. When Westerberg WRITES A GODDAMN SONG about the lead singer of Big Star, I'm sorry Big Star should rank first
MJ: yeah, likely
Courtney: I knew there had to be an example somewhere there
Courtney: Social D is a great band
Courtney sez: Ok, part of me feels compelled to list which of these selections I have or have had in the past, just because. Then, I’ll start criticizing.
77. Arctic Monkeys, Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not
67. Husker Du, New Day Rising
53. Smashing Pumpkins, Gish
48. Mission of Burma, Vs.
45. Fugazi, Repeater
35. Liz Phair, Exile in Guyville
30. Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
29. Violent Femmes, Violent Femmes
20. The Hold Steady, Separation Sunday
19. Sleater-Kinney, Dig Me Out
17. The White Stripes, White Blood Cells
13. Husker Du, Zen Arcade
11. The Minutemen, Double Nickels on the Dime
9. Big Star, Third/Sister Lovers
8. My Bloody Valentine, Loveless
7. The Velvet Underground, The Velvet Underground
5. Pixies, Surfer Rosa
4. REM, Murmur
3. The Replacements, Let It Be
Wow, that’s pitiful. MJ, make me turn my cred in RIGHT NOW. For someone who has claimed to have listened to as much good music as I have, that’s a pretty poor showing. Or is it? 60% of the top ten is nothing to sneeze at, certainly. And 13 and 11 are two of the finest albums to come out of the 80s. PERIOD.
The problem with lists like this is some band is always forgotten, some album overlooked for a less popular choice. Although really, the more I look at this top ten, I don’t necessarily have too many issues with the choices. Except the placement of Let It Be over Third/Sister Lovers. If the principal songwriter writes a song extolling the virtues of the other band’s songwriter, as is the case with Paul Westerberg to Alex Chilton, then the influential artist/album should rank higher. One could argue you couldn’t have had the one without the other. And Big Star? Come on. And seriously, if you’re going to have Double Nickels and Zen Arcade that close to each other on the list, just put them next to each other. They are a matched set, so to speak.
And as for the 13th Floor Elevators, sure Roky Erikson seems to be the indie godfather THESE DAYS, but five years ago it was Nick Drake, in the early nineties, with the twin streams of grunge and alt country, Gram Parsons was getting his due. And, speaking of Gram, is there a reason the Flying Burrito Brothers aren’t on here? Big Star and Alex Chilton are perennial favorite geezers on the scene. And lately, every time someone mentions Lou Reed, I think back to the scene in “Almost Famous” where Lester Bangs and William Miller debate the Bowie/Reed issue of the day, and William just ends the debate with, “if you LIKE Lou.” After reading, “Please Kill Me”, I’m not so sure I like Lou anymore, but All Tomorrow’s Parties is still a great song.
Bright Eyes, Le Tigre, Interpol, Snow Patrol, and the Shins all make me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon. But not necessarily with Spoon. And choosing Bleach over Nevermind, I’ll take umbrage with that. Raise your hand if you’d actually heard of Bleach before Nevermind came out. Right. Bleach may have been first, but Nevermind broke it open, make no mistake about that. Regarding Guided by Voices, well, okay. The songs on Bee Thousand probably initiated you into the rest of that glorious drunken mess of a band, and it’s certainly one of their more accessible records.
MJ sez: Firstly, the ones that I’ve owned, or own now:
Dream Syndicate – Days of Wine and Roses
Dead Kennedys – Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
The Misfits – Walk Among Us
Feist – The Reminder (just got it, actually)
Meat Puppets – Up On the Sun
Nick Drake – Pink Moon
Husker Du – New Day Rising
Bad Brains – Bad Brains
Mission of Burma – Vs.
Franz Ferdinand – Franz Ferdinand
Black Flag – Damaged
Liz Phair – Exile in Guyville
Wilco – Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Violent Femmes – Violent Femmes
Joy Division – Unknown Pleasures
Husker Du – Zen Arcade
Minutemen – Double Nickels on the Dime
The Smiths – The Smiths
R.E.M. – Murmur
Pavement – Slanted and Enchanted.
Now, I’m in total agreement with your assessment that lists like this always leave out a band or album that we as individuals think should absolutely be represented, and clearly, as an indie rock fan, I thought of a few. But, this is also Blender fucking Magazine’s opinion, and well, that is what it is. Blender isn’t exactly Rolling Stone or Spin in the credibility department. On the other hand, Rolling Stone has certainly issued some official “lists” that I’ve jumped all over, too, so yeah. What was my point again?
I actually have to admit that there are some bands on this list I’ve never heard of. Obviously, that can happen, there are only so many hours in a day. I don’t dislike the Shins and Snow Patrol as much as you do, but that’s neither here or there, because I know you like Sleater-Kinney and I think they’re rubbish. I also LOATHE Fugazi, always have, always will. I’m pleased that Murmur is as high as it is, because quite frankly, R.E.M. defined an era of American music that I think gains more and more respect for it’s newness as we get farther and farther away from it. I think Violent Femmes, Double Nickels on the Dime and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot should be higher, but I guard those bands jealously in my heart. It’s hard for me to believe that Disco Volante from Mr. Bungle didn’t make this list, quite frankly, although for whatever reason, Mike Patton’s genius seems to get past most people. Maybe it’s just me, I don’t know.
I think I’m going to start writing lists here, and let people have their way with them. Having a go at lists like this is like shooting fish in a barrel. Speaking of which, time to load up the shotgun.
Back to you, Court.
Courtney closes: I went through some of the comments in this article, and the “masses” that read Stereogum feel the same as we do. Lists like this are designed to be trashed. Although I was amazed at some commentors glaring lack of actually having read the list, particularly when they began complaining about The Replacements being left out. Ah well…
(FYI, the snippet of IM conversation at the beginning? Now you all sort of see how this blog began. Or maybe needed to begin. Who knows? Accumulate about 1000 more of those, and you can see why we share the same brain.)
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